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([personal profile] guanin Apr. 28th, 2009 10:53 pm)



I mostly enjoyed this episode. Except for those two things.

--Sylar pwning Danko. *hee hee hee*

--He changed the location of his weak spot. *flails while grinning like a maniac* Sylar is Sylar. Therefore he must be awesome.

--Noah. You turned your back on Danko?! For god's sake, man. You're smarter than that.

--Oh, look, Aquawoman Tracy is seeking revenge. Like half the people on this show.

--Oh, Matt. I'm sorry to inform you, but you're not the Doctor. I know you've probably a huge fan and spend hours fantasizing about going off into the reaches of space in the Tardis to fight Daleks and creepy Cybermen, but it's just not to be.

--Peter is made of awesome. I'm so proud of him.

--Nathan finally owned up to who he really is by flying in front of that politician guy and Peter looked so proud and then there were the "I love you"'s and these two are so cute when there isn't massive loads of drama going on and I'm going to miss that so much, because

--He's dead. And don't ask me to be okay with that, because I'm not. Maybe someday depending on how season 4 progresses, but not now. And I've never been a Nathan fan. During most of season 1, I couldn't stand the guy because of how he treated Peter. But that's the thing. I'm a Peter fan. And this is going to kill him when he finds out. And that makes me sad.

--Inconsistencies. How to keep track of all the inconsistencies in this show? Thinking again of Joss Whedon, there was this one thing in Buffy (probably more than that, but I never noticed) that got a lot of buzz and questions and Joss going, "Oops", but it wasn't even that big a deal. Fandom easily came up with an explanation and while it's not perfect, it's good enough. But this relatively little thing was a big deal. That's what I'm used to. If there are gaffes, they're small, because the creators know we are picking this apart with a fine tooth comb. Yet in Heroes, the writers either don't know or don't care. If there's some previous fact standing in the way of their cool plot twist, they barge ahead anyway instead of trying to work some way around it.

Case in point. Noah was shot dead. Mohinder brought him back with Claire's blood. He informed Noah of this and we know Noah was paying attention because he later told Claire. Yet it never occurred to him to bring up this tiny, little detail when Angela was trying to turn his worst enemy into Nathan, which lets him live, something Noah obviously doesn't want. And with Claire in the vicinity, there was no excuse for that option not to have come up. Other than that the winters hope we have very short attention spans and don't remember season 2. And I don't like to bandy about the word disrespect, but this is just the latest grain of sand in a humongous mound.

Sylar as Nathan creeps me out. Like shivers in my stomach, squirming away from the screen creeped out.

Though not as much as that Sylar/Claire thing with makes me grimace just to write and I want to wash my brain with bleach now, please. Ever since the first episode of this season, I cannot even envision that pairing without feeling incredibly disturbed.
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From: [identity profile] ykoriana.livejournal.com


Sylar as Nathan creeps me out. Like shivers in my stomach, squirming away from the screen creeped out.

Me too. I have to admit, Adrian playing SyNathan is really good.

And I wasn't much of a Nathan fan even though I enjoy Petrellincest. But I didn't want him dead. Nathan was an ass most of the times, but Peter loved him and now Nathan's dead and when Peter finds out... It's too depresssing to think about it.

From: [identity profile] guanin.livejournal.com


He is, which is probably part of the reason why it creeped me out so much, which means he's definitely doing a good job.

Poor Peter. I'm dreading the episode where he finds out. *hugs him*

From: [identity profile] ti-ana.livejournal.com


Oh wait, now I'm curious. What was the one thing in Buffy that Joss went "oops" about? I can think of one inconsistency (having to do with Angel's actual age) and could probably come up with a couple more if I thought about it a bit more, but which is the one you're thinking of?

From: [identity profile] guanin.livejournal.com


I was thinking of the delay in Spike's chip getting activated between him breaking out of the Initiative and when he attacked Willow. Though I'd forgotten about Angel's age. There probably are more, like always, but they seem small and relatively trivial compared to the stuff in Heroes.

From: [identity profile] rampant-chaos8.livejournal.com


Agreed on the Nathan thing. I go back and forth on liking Nathan, but ultimately, I'm a Peter fan, and thus thinking about what Peter's inevitable reaction is going to be is sad :( Poor baby. I want to hug him.

From: [identity profile] guanin.livejournal.com


I finally liked Nathan in season 2 when he was mourning Peter, but then he turned into a douche again at the end of volume 3, but I always wanted these two to be okay with each other in the end. And Peter loves him so, great brother that he is.

From: [identity profile] visiblemarket.livejournal.com


Nathan finally owned up to who he really is by flying in front of that politician guy and Peter looked so proud and then there were the "I love you"'s and these two are so cute when there isn't massive loads of drama going on

You know what I loved about that scene, because it reminded me of both S1 and S2 Nathan, and what I actually have always liked about him? Nathan is such a dork about it. Like sappily so. He always acts like this kind of douchey prick, and god knows he can be, but when he's being sincere about something, he damn well goes all the way, and it makes me smile. And even though part of that is my laughing at him for being so schmaltzy about it, another part of that is my appreciating that aspect of his personality like I appreciate Peter's ability to forgive and Hiro's ability to remain childlike. It's also such a politician thing to do, be able to make these decisions that everyone hates you for (and rightly so), and still be at the core a kind of idealist. So...yeah. Oh, Nate, why do I only start liking you again when you're an episode or less away from death?

Peter is made of awesome. I'm so proud of him.

Isn't he?! I know the moment in the limo with Sylar (dirty) was badass, but my absolutely favorite thing was when he showed up after Nathan had been knocked out and was kind of stumbling all over the place, and he did this awesome eyeroll and perfectly snarky, "Some help you're going to be." Someone's been remembering their time with Claude ;) That said, I'm really dreading him finding out about Nathan. I almost wish they'd gotten it over with.

Yeah, the Claire blood thing bugged me too. And while I've managed to come up with a few fairly plausible (in my mind) reasons for Noah not bringing it up (1. Didn't want Claire to have that responsibility, of bringing back any and everyone who ever died 2. Nathan had lost too much blood/been dead too long already for it to have worked 3. That method of Sylar "disposal" might have a better chance of success than anything else they've tried thus far, especially given that he moved "the spot", and Noah was thinking of his and Claire's best interest more than Nathan and Angela's, which wouldn't be a shock), I shouldn't have to be the one coming up with plausible explanations. I'm glad they took Claire blood off the table as a plot device, but damn, they could've done it better.

And yeah, the Sylar/Claire stuff is major ick. But...well, the subtext has always been there, and always been majorly icky. Maybe I've just watched Distractions too many times but my god, his interest in her has always squicked.

From: [identity profile] guanin.livejournal.com


That's exactly it. He's just so adorably dorky when he finally does the right thing and gets Peter to forgive him for whatever douchebaggery he did before. But now he can't anymore. We just have the Sylar!clone. Which is weird. And creepy. And weird. It's just going to hurt Peter so much when he finds out that not only is Nathan dead, but the guy he's been treating like his brother is the man who killed him. Doesn't Peter deserve some happiness after all the shit he's had to go through? The poor guy doesn't smile anymore.

well, he did during that scene, which I squeed all over because he was so perfect as he leaned back in the seat with that grin of satisfaction at finally nabbing Sylar. Hee hee. I loved that line, too. Even Claude would have laughed.

Precisely. They need to start dealing with the corners they write themselves into instead of ignoring them altogether.

I could handle it in season 1, but since that brain rape thing, I can't take it. I'm not easily squicked by stuff, but seeing that was way too much for me to handle.

From: [identity profile] visiblemarket.livejournal.com


He's just so adorably dorky when he finally does the right thing and gets Peter to forgive him for whatever douchebaggery he did before.

It's Nathan's Season Finale Syndrome ;) But yes, no more. Or...maybe no more. I don't know what they're going to do with it. See, that's why I almost wish Peter had found out about it immediately; it's easier to mourn Nathan than it is to mourn Nathan and the fact that he died horribly and alone and that the brother you've been carrying about and spending time with is the person who killed him, and given Peter's sympathetic nature, he won't even be able to properly hate Sylar!Nathan because how tragic is that for him, that he thinks he's Nathan, he has all those memories, but he's not?

*sigh* It was good that Peter got a moment of glory though. He just looked so totally wiped out after that scene, but such a job well done, I wanted to give him a hug. And his line to Nathan even felt like something Claude would've said, which made me happy too.

I'm a little concerned with the possibility that they're just trying to go back and re-write S1. I really, really hope that's not where they're going, but sometimes...

Hah. He and Peter do have a bit of a weird two sides of the same coin thing going. I don't for a second think he's genuinely interested in Claire romantically; I think he just enjoys messing with her, and as the one person who's power he's taken that managed to survive it, there's a certain kind of specialness to their relationship in his mind. But frankly I wish they would just decide to be madly in love and run away together and off my TV screen.

From: [identity profile] guanin.livejournal.com


It's going to be so tragic and depressing and awful and SylarNathan is going to end completely fucked up over this precisely because of that. What is Peter going to do? This going to be such a mindfuck, man.

I'm worried that they'll go into Company history and not include Adam when he was clearly and integral part of it and Linderman's "kill people to save the world" philosophy, but they seem determined to eliminate all traces that season 2 existed.

Even with the nature of their powers. It's essentially the same thing, just that Sylar has to concentrate to get people's powers. And he likes to kill said people. While Peter just wants to help people. One's a killer the other is a saviour. Yeah, I'm going with the theory that he's just fucking with her because he loves to do that, ya know? Plus, he's so good at getting under people's skin. Um, how about if she beats him to a pulp and makes sure he can't get up again. I'd prefer that one, even as a Sylar fan. He does have it coming.
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From: [personal profile] mf_luder_xf


Yup, I totally agree with the blood thing. Plus, we never got an explanation as to how Nathan revived in the beginning of this season (I have my own theory but there was never a reason given. I don't go with the whole God bit. Sorry Kring. Because if so, then this death really doesn't make sense. CastielGod would keep him alive for a reason. (Kripke and gang really does PWN just about everyone else on TV right now.))

The Sylar/Claire thing creeped me out, too. It was bizarre (he's 30 something, she's 20 something? WHY DOES THIS BUG ME ON TV? I have dated guys that much older than me. But I don't know, it always plays off weird. or maybe its not even the age thing since I like Claire/Nathan. Hmm. Just weird, yes.) But at the same time...ever since that ep where his (future) son is named NOAH, I can't help but feel that pairing...and Sylar made some good points in his little speech.
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